I’m afraid that’s a non-sequitur, and therefore I admit no such thing. Unfortunately the rest of your efforts following from this are thus a bit wasted.

So to try and reinforce what I am trying to articulate.

I am saying all moral urges, including the argument for an “objective morality”, or the feeling that there is or is not an “objective morality” (or should be if there isn’t) or that secular morality is or is not a thing (herd or otherwise), or even the moral urge that Nazi’s think they are doing the right thing which is “objectively wrong” are there before there is any religion at all, that it arose in the old stone ages among and between various hominid ancestors.

If there was an objective morality we would not be able to argue about whether there was one or not. But we do argue. So I take this as evidence that an objective morality may exist but we don’t have access to it, at the very least. The only thing we can take for granted is that we have a moral urge (which often makes us act or think as if it was objective like those Nazi’s you mentioned) to should on people (or kill them if they should the wrong way.)

The moral urge doesn’t care about the detail, merely that we get organized. That organization even if stupid from a rational point of view ( especially say a lot of the detail of morality –don’t eat pig or whatever) does get people organised, particularly when outrage. Members of those organised groups will survive better.

Also look up the difference between various different social organisations among animals including primates and you’ll find that the moral urge even without an “objective morality” is what separates us from the other surviving primates and great apes. From our cousins hominids, probably no so much.

This difference is sometimes called the egalitarian revolution, it probably took 100s of 100os of years.

In this I quite like Moral Origins: The Evolution of Virtue, Altruism, and Shame by Christopher Boehm ISBN 13: 9780465020485.

Also of interest is Our Inner Ape: A Leading Primatologist Explains Why We Are Who We Are
by Frans de Waal ISBN-13: 978-1594481963 and Darwin, God and the Meaning of Life by Steve Stewart-Williams.

And design is over-rate. We make things, we think that is clever, so when we made god in own image we made ’em a maker-god.

If it is turtles all the way down then it is gods all the way up.

I’m afraid that’s a non-sequitur, and therefore I admit no such thing. Unfortunately the rest of your efforts following from this are thus a bit wasted.

So to try and reinforce what I am trying to articulate.

I am saying all moral urges, including the argument for an “objective morality”, or the feeling that there is or is not an “objective morality” (or should be if there isn’t) or that secular morality is or is not a thing (herd or otherwise), or even the moral urge that Nazi’s think they are doing the right thing which is “objectively wrong” are there before there is any religion at all, that it arose in the old stone ages among and between various.

If there was an objective morality we would not be able to argue about whether there was one or not. But we do argue. So I take this as evidence that an objective morality may exist but we don’t have access to it, at the very least. The only thing we can take for granted is that we have a moral urge (which often makes us act or think as if it was objective like those Nazi’s you mentioned) to should on people (or kill them if they should the wrong way.)

The moral urge doesn’t care about the detail, merely that we get organized. That organization even if stupid from a rational point of view ( especially say a lot of the detail of morality –don’t eat pig or whatever) does get people organised, particularly when outrage. Members of those organised groups will survive better.

Also look up the difference between various different social organisations among animals including primates and you’ll find that the moral urge even without an “objective morality” is what separates us from the other surviving primates and great apes. From our cousins hominids, probably no so much.

This difference is sometimes called the egalitarian revolution, it probably took 100s of 100os of years.

In this I quite like Moral Origins: The Evolution of Virtue, Altruism, and Shame by Christopher Boehm ISBN 13: 9780465020485.

Also of interest is Our Inner Ape: A Leading Primatologist Explains Why We Are Who We Are
by Frans de Waal ISBN-13: 978-1594481963 and Darwin, God and the Meaning of Life by Steve Stewart-Williams.

And design is over-rate. We make things, we think that is clever, so when we made god in own image we made ’em a maker-god.

If it is turtles all the way down then it is gods all the way up.

Calling out a perverted ideology is not judging. It is those who screech about others judging them who really don’t want a light shone on their perversions. I am happy to be judged by anyone, anywhere, anytime.

“What a moron you are.”
“By contrast, the Christian says the homosexual is a loved creation of God, and if s/he forsakes the degenerate behaviour, s/he has the potential to dwell with God in heaven.”
“No-one who truly uses science praises degenerate behaviour like homosexuality.”

I can’t possibly imagine why folks find extremist Christians intolerant, arrogant, , bigoted and outright abusive. Do you think you’re winning people over this way? Even if I had the potential to believe in a religion, given this line of thinking, I’d honestly rather burn in hell for eternity.

Learn to speak to people in a civilised way without being outright cruel, judgmental and condemning. If you truly want to live biblically (and trust me, I know, I was a Bible-bashing Baptist and have done many years Bible study as well as a Bethel course), perhaps you should abide by the notion that it’s God’s place to judge, not yours and what you’re doing is far worse in God’s eyes than any sin committed by homosexuals.

Allow me to cite Mathew 7: 1-5 – 1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”

And I don’t even believe in God. Sweep up the mess on your own doorstep, sir.

Just going to leave this here. https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2015/jul/24/gay-genes-science-is-on-the-right-track-were-born-this-way-lets-deal-with-it . Also, anticipating your response, please cite a better argument than “THE GUARDIAN IS LIBERAL PROPAGANDA AND THE DEVIL’S PAPER.” Please and thank you.

Ok dude. I can’t reason with stupid and/or delusional. Keep believing in your fact-free, uncited nonsense.

the person who wrote this blog seems to care, me not so much

What a moron you are. In one breath you say people are using their brains and science, in the next you praise homosexuality. No-one who truly uses science praises degenerate behaviour like homosexuality.
Science says homosexuality and pedophilia are closely intertwined.
Science says the human body is not designed for buggery.
Science says homosexuals gets more disease, both because of the act of buggery, and because of their promiscuity.
Science says homosexuals are not born that way.
Science says there are only two genders, and that a “transgender” person is just a mutilated form of their birth gender.
Evolutionary Science says homosexuality is a biological dead end, and since homosexuals pose no useful purpose to the propagation species, there is no point to their existence.

Which is why you find in the 20th century, societies where atheism and humanistic science were the state enforced “religion”, that homosexuals were executed.

By contrast, the Christian says the homosexual is a loved creation of God, and if s/he forsakes the degenerate behaviour, s/he has the potential to dwell with God in heaven.